summit accuses Chavez of being undemocratic and world leaders to seek only an agreement to save face. "We must reduce all emissions that are destroying the planet," said Chavez. "That requires a change of economic model we must move from capitalism to socialism."
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AMY GOODMAN: You sell more oil to the U.S. than any other country except Canada. His economy depends on oil, but you are here at a summit on climate change. What is your proposal?
PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ: The problem is not oil. The problem is how they use oil. The U.S. is the big spender of oil and all the planet's resources. Oil is a valuable resource for life, heating, electricity. We will have to be moving toward a post-oil era. And it's part of what must be discussed. Find new sources of energy. And that requires research. That requires investment. And those who should assume the primary responsibility are developed countries in the world.
AMY GOODMAN: What level are you willing to emissions reduction?
PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ: A hundred percent. Should be reduced to one hundred percent of emissions. In Venezuela, our emissions are negligible compared to developed countries' emissions. So we agree ALBA-and peer-to reduce all emissions that are destroying the world. But that requires a paradigm shift in lifestyle. A change of economic model, move from capitalism to socialism. That is the fundamental solution and true.
AMY GOODMAN: How did you end up with capitalism?
PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ: As they did in Cuba. There. As we are doing in Venezuela. Giving power to the people. Taking away the power of economic elites. Can only be done through a revolution.
AMY GOODMAN: What is your opinion about the speech Obama gave today?
PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ: It's a great frustration. I think Obama could be ... could go down in history as one of the biggest frustrations has been for many people, not for me but for many people in America who voted for him. Saw it as a hope ... it got to make changes. But he has been giving continuity to the aggressive policies of Bush, the imperial policies.
AMY GOODMAN: An example of that?
PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ: The war. I told Obama, when he took the initiative to come to greet us at the Summit of the Americas and call.
speak several minutes, and said, "Obama, we will work for peace in Colombia. It is what I propose. To appoint a team to analyze the problem." But absolutely nothing. Now being installed seven military bases in Colombia. This is an example, nothing more.
And in Iraq and Afghanistan, Guerrerro policy. Guantanamo is a great frustration. And I'm sorry, not for us. You are American. I feel sorry for you because you really deserve a government that addresses the problems of the U.S. population, which is sure to dominate the world and only the U.S. government to end poverty in America, poverty, inequality, which is becoming bigger, unemployment, families in the street, homeless, without social security, sickness. I hope you have a government that truly meets. And then, of the world, peace the world.
AMY GOODMAN: The U.S. government calls you a "dictator." What is your response?
PRESIDENT HUGO CHAVEZ: I laugh. I laugh. It is the rule that called me a dictator. I'm glad. And I remember Don Quixote, Sancho was going to, you know, and barking dogs and Sancho said: "We bite, we are going to bite." And Don Quixote said, wise: "Quiet Sancho, that if the dogs bark, it is because we are riding." I would be very sad, worried, if the imperial government to call me "big Democrat." No. They are the rule, pleasing to those who really are building real democracy.
Thank you, we gotta go. Thanks. Good luck. "Good luck."
AMY GOODMAN: Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who spoke in Copenhagen on Friday. Taken
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