Last Friday, March 18, took place in the National Library of Belarus a "round table" of President AG Lukashenko with the heads of a number of Russian media. Were represented newspapers: Vedomosti, "Zavtra", "Kaliningradskaya Pravda", "Literaturnaya Gazeta, Pravda," Vedomosti Peterburgskie Sank "," Selskaya zhisn "," Smolenskaya gazeta "journal" Nash Sovremennik " "Rossiiskaya Federatsia sevodnya" and the radio station "Russkaya Sluzhba novostey."
The meeting lasted over four hours. In the same dialogue took place, a president talk with each of the participants. We present to our readers that part of the "round table", which saw the meeting between AG Lukashenko and the editor of Pravda, BO Komotski.
Komotski BO (editor of "Pravda"). Represent the Pravda. Grigorevich Alexander, I must say, that we would be an understatement if we say we write permanently on Belarus. In each issue we have a section under the heading: "The Belarusian example. "
AG Lukashenko. Yes, I know. I receive your newspaper. I have "Pravda" permanently on the desk ... BO
Komotski. Our readers will follow with great interest and attention to everything that has to do with Belarus. And last fall in connection with the elections and all the commotion raised in our editorial office received a large number of letters in support of his, with appeals to the Belarusian such as "Brothers, stand firm in the choice made! , Then by welcoming the victory. I have the honor to transmit all that now on behalf of our readers, and the people who really supports him. Our readers are very knowledgeable. And yet there are a number of issues to highlight all that correspondence, and on which I want to ask directly, but has already spoken about some thing. But I say that there are things I'd like to achieve. Among the correspondence often we read: "What we see today in Belarus is fully in line with what we now call" XXI Century Socialism "Why Lukashenko fails to mention that term in their speeches? After all Chavez also referred to the XXI century socialism and the Chinese comrades build a society very similar, socialism with particular Chinese. Why in Belarus seems to shy away from that word? At the end of the day is doing the same, but the "term" socialism does not sound? That's one side.
Second. When faced with choices, and in general when faced with such complex processes and capacity building, mass support is needed, a mass force. Hugo Chavez created the United Socialist Party and the Communist Party in China plays an important role. With all its merits as a leader, it is still difficult for one person to achieve that result, it takes a team widely supported. In connection with this perspective what is your opinion he deserves the creation of a mass movement of a mass party? How do you assess today the role of Communists Belarusian Belarusian society?
And one last question: after the elections, the West has come to occupy a position of strength in relation to Belarus. No eyebrow subversive activity, enough to recall the "Polish card", around which is organizing a campaign. They are investing millions in this story, which continues to be an intrusion, when citizens of the republic tries to classify them by their membership of a particular nationality, and begin to see maneuvers, which push the people to treason. In this situation, with all the pressure that is handling the country, they are above blackmailing. There might come a day that the Russian oligarchy can say: OK we're going to help, so for that have to do this and that. Do you plan any kind of guarantee that will preserve the possible expansion of the Russian oligarchy on Belarusian territory, when you have to defend the socio-economic achievements made?
AG Lukashenko. I must say that in regard to socialism, you're right, I find it somewhat close. Recently, we have had talks on the establishment again Belarus is a party that supported the president (for now these are private conversations, I write academic and a number of people), I stopped to think how it should be that party: And when I thought of the game, I have not stopped believe that such a party would be born from below. A party must not be created from above. Although it could be done. And it would be popular, because they support the President and the popularity of this would move the party. That's right.
But I can not remember "Our Home is Russia." And where is now "Our Home is Russia"? Nowhere. And where are all parties that have been created for power? Nowhere. I want the party arose from below, so as not to crumble if the government changes. During a public debate in the election campaign I said that would not prevent the emergence of parties, including opponents, but did not he would start from the top, because life expectancy in that case would not be much. I would like a game like that arise from below.
I am a member of the Communist Party of the CPSU. I do not burn my party card, as was fashionable in those years. I still keeping the party card. There is no longer the party, but I'm keeping the card. And when I became president, I promised I would not join any other party. I was a member of that party, and when it collapsed told me not join any other party. Nor any game I create artificially.
is right in what he says, when there is a match, everything is easier. It is a structure that controls state power. Is what we are doing now, but it would be a social organization. And it is not enough. Nor is it to create large district committees. If the district has three employees and the organization will begin to accumulate, everything that the president can not see, what we see up here. That is important. But do not think it should be me who believes them artificially.
We have the organization "Belaya Rus", and for the last time I are proposing to make it match. Is ready. Lives of the membership fees, with a surplus in the accounts. And I was very clear in warning that there should be any staff there. It would be a serious problem, officials joined the party.
is a good organization, it could become a party, always supported us, has fought for Belarus is what it is today. And then I did become "Belaya Rus" in the party, what kind of party would it be? I'm for it to be a socialist party. When I became president, one of my speeches, I said we should build a society in our country guided by the principles of socialism. Socialism! Why not say now? You're right, I do consciously. But not because I am against, but what if I said that "socialism", tomorrow the Russian channels and "Izvestia" or whomever, harass me until exhaustion, and would undermine misrepresent you to the point that it would be difficult to explain with other presidents. I am a socialist at heart. Socialism is the society we are trying building in Belarus, the society of social justice in which there are no big differences between rich and poor. Socialism does not deny private property. I do not disown it. But that property must be a property that you've sweated, that you raised your hands.
For me the absolute priority of the market economy is competition. What that has nothing to do with the much hyped "freedom of prices." All this is a hoax. Does Russia is a market economy? As they say, until the thunder sounds, man crosses himself. If even Putin says to curb prices of petroleum products. And even he it begins to justify the market economy can not be applied here. The state must fulfill its functions. And where there is a problem involved, solve it. But the first priority is to offer competition.
Secondly, the initiative of the person you can not choke. If the person wants, you must give the possibility, but in a way honored. Just adopted Directive No. 4 (the fourth time in my life that I sign a directive on major issues of security, discipline, energy and the fourth on entrepreneurship). The spirit of this guideline is to empower the individual. Only that our entrepreneurs to have understood literally: zero tax absolute freedom, as I handled it so. Gentlemen, we have no intention of restricting freedom of entrepreneurship, but we support them, the least we can ask is a little decency. This is very easy to sign up, do not need any permission, the employer simply fill out the application: you arrive, the stuffed, two copies and ready. There are some restrictions in some areas, will be twenty licenses. But God does not want you to stop paying taxes. Then it would be almost like in the U.S. where tax crimes are worse. And then should be aware that if the state supports them, must get something in return. What? Taxes. Therefore, if the interpretation you makes this policy is to not pay taxes, then you can go and saying goodbye. Are things that should be clear.
This is not something that is in contradiction with socialism. Is what I lean. If we talk about communism, I think it is a concept that we have broken. It was too inaccessible to us. Socialism is more real. We've got something with him.
All these are arguments of mine, I have never spoken publicly. And right about that ... not be afraid: But as president I'd rather not say, because insurance will be misinterpreted, and say, "what we needed, another communist ..." and stuff on. While Yeltsin's times when we went to lunch after the meetings in the Faceted Chamber (the Kremlin), with Karimov, Nazarbayev, joked: "Well, that, as our Communist Lukashenko says ..." and of course one of those times I jumped and said "Listen, members of the Politburo, Yeltsin, Nazarbayev, Karimov, ye it would be silent., I was not there with you." Although they always considered me a Communist. And always picked on that.
So now I prefer to remain silent and not talk about socialism. While this is an absolutely normal society, a just society. And if you fill content that ideology of socialism that we have, fill it with content in a country, and following that model to build a country, there is nothing wrong with that. I have studied the case of China, before becoming president was a couple of times, and as president I have visited China in six or seven times. I have studied, beginning with its free trade zones. And in our parliament before the first elections for president, while discussing the development model, I said, "You know, we should learn from China: do not destroy, we must not destroy anything or kill the Communist Party. Notice how they have adapted to new conditions (then in the Soviet Union were starting from a better position than them China would advance). We continue in this way, without destroying anything. "
I was in favor of exactly such a development model. What is it that China is showing us now that it's been two decades? Then did well to learn from China. Obviously there are specific things in China, but there is much to learn from them. We learned to build, not destroy anything.
So I can say about the Communists of Belarus. Of course, I try not to meddle or endorse any political party. But the Communists are the only party they endorse. It's our history if you will. That's why we support them. Although do not create anything artificially. We do not help to attract new members to the party. This is an internal matter. But the Communists Belarusian Communist Party of Belarus has always been with us. Always.
If we create a game, I would favor that a socialist party. I mean that sincerely, it may even be the first to say it publicly, I am a socialist and my convictions, because what I want is social justice. That's my main political principle. And is closely linked with socialism. What other party would advocate these principles?
Regarding our fears by the expansion of certain oligarchic forces including Russia, would miss the truth if I said that's not what I have in mind. Especially now. Do you know what they are saying now? (When the "fifth column" has invaded all the press), "Lukashenko has cornered himself, now is not any output, or the West or U.S. I can see. He is now in the hands of the Kremlin clique. " In my meeting with Vladimir Putin I said: "We will not let dominate. We are in a difficult, delicate. Help us, be grateful. We will always be next. You know, "I said as we have behaved in has had a difficult time Russia and the articles of food and rest. " - "Thank you I know. Really always have been supporting us, we have helped with the supplies, etc, etc ". "Keep in mind that whatever the difficulties," I say I can repeat my electoral promise: if we go to press on all sides we will go to shelters, but we're not going to bring to its knees: we experience. I do not want it were necessary to get there, but that's what we do. " To which Putin replied: "Do not even think about it, not me personally, or in Russia in the structures of government and think that if you look at what situation Belarus has seen, we'll then take advantage and break her ... "That was exactly what he said. And I say: "Do you really tell me o. ..? and he responds: "I swear that's not what we think." And I believe him. Although I know there is that kind of encouragement. And if you think you can come here and get the knee-chest to get us something is very wrong: we will not speculate on the circumstances, we will move forward, as much as we choke, we will let go. At the end of the day than it is to meet the needs of 10 million of our citizens. It's something we can do and we will. Our people are talented, hardworking, educated.
Our policy is clear: There are some difficulties and not a few, but to overcome them we will not do anything that we have not been doing now. The people first. Without hurting Russians, Ukrainians and other neighbors.
Certainly all commitments on customs union and a unified economic space, we have ratified in parliament. In Russia have not yet reached parliament. We have done everything promised Putin said directly: "We did not expect to do so." We also had our differences, but ultimately deliver what we promised and has been ratified.
Now we have the whole population concerned with the rising price of cars (by accepting the Russian conditions, to defend Russian producers). They are unpopular steps. You know what the car for the people ... in every family there is one and some two. And we are now in a difficult dilemma. But it's something we accept, we promised, in return for Russia to eliminate tariffs for goods transport. That was what we agreed. And when Medvedev said they were willing to so and so and you have to pay the price of integration, I replied. "Stop right there. We do not have to pay for integration. To put it in a simple manner. Give us the opportunity to work quietly in the Russian market and profit, then to accounts and not have a negative balance ... "That's what I said in December last year when we signed the main package of documents. "We understand and are willing to lend a hand." And I said, "Okay. Thank you. "
See the oligarchs, we know, we received several, we present projects. But we have conditions. We have 25 conditions on privatization. If you are willing to comply, go ahead.
see people, which of course is thinking about giving this a hit. And we know where they want to get cut. They have no interest in need of investment companies, which have to invest, are interested in that work well, those raw materials and markets: But for that we are already working successfully. Belarusian Potassium Company earned in a year as hard as the past a yield of 170%. And you tell me that we need to sell. We cater to our agricultural sector with potassium at bargain prices. Would the same as a private? No. It is a state enterprise today. The ground is owned by the state and must work for the state.
say, "Lukashenko is afraid of private property and owners, because they are a threat to the government. " But what will! ... With a private entrepreneur is easier to work with a state company. What would be afraid? All I want is that these companies can offer that is almost a normal life to 10 million people who live here. That's it. The arithmetic is simple. If that is the socialist ideology, then I am a socialist.
for Rebellion Translated from Russian by S. Josaphat Source
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